Lock-snapping, a problem that has beset the industry since 2005 or even earlier, has finally been recognized on television with it’s own dedicated slot on the Inside Out program which aired in the Yorkshire region tonight.
The program highlighted the issue with all double glazed PVCu doors which currently have a standard euro-profile door cylinder. The program finally made aware the mass general public, at least in this region, that there is a serious issue and that something needs to be done about it.
One issue I did have was the mention of people using non-profit organizations. I’m sorry, but if a customer is going to have the very best door cylinder installed, a non-profit organization isn’t going to have the means to buy those sorts of door cylinders. This sort of business should be going to the locksmith and double glazing industries and to those companies who supply high quality cylinders aimed at keeping the burglars out properly. My biggest concern for people is that if they do chose to go to a NPO, they quality of cylinder isn’t going to be that great. We’ve tested loads of cylinders in our showroom, to see if they do what they say on the box, and unfortunately most don’t. These are the cheaper options and probably the ones most low cost installers will be supplying. Totally inadequate.
On one hand, the fact that this program has now highlighted tens of thousands of people of the potential dangers and the risk of lock-snapping is a good thing. But the downside is that burglars who didn’t know about the problem now do. The program didn’t exactly show the burglar how to do it, but they can now easily go find information on the internet on how to do it and go round doing it themselves before people get chance to do something about it. Like the time when a national newspaper showed people how to get into an externally glazed window. There was a big increase in that type of break-in after the publication of that article. We may see the same pattern emerge now this program has aired.
What the industry has to do now is really take advantage of people’s awareness of the issue and ram it home about the dangers of not changing their locks for something better. I had two calls this morning in which people had been made aware of this issue during the lunch-time bulletin and wanted to do something about it. Indeed, both bought plenty of new locks from us.
The positive side to all this is that there could be quite a significant boost to both the locksmith trade and the double glazing industry where companies focus in cylinder replacement. This story also puts security back into focus and in the forefront of people’s minds when it comes to security on their windows and doors.
Ultimately this is a good thing, we all just have to be ready and be proactive when it comes to people wanting to upgrade their locks before burglars take advantage of the old insecure ones!
We at Avocet have been promoting this problem for the last couple of years, the ABS cylinder stops this method of entry dead in its tracks unlike some of our so called SBD cylinders and security handles. One of our biggest customers for this product is in fact a non profit organisation, over the last few years these guys have been awash with public funds and have been able to buy proper high security cylinders as they do not have to watch there profit margins. The amount of times I have shown a fabricator and ABS cylinder and the snapping… Read more »
Lock snapping, like lockbumping is/was a genuine locksmiths tool that has been misused by our industry and leaked to the general public. This combined with sloppy manufacturing has made the problem worse than it is.
to make matters worse, you can buy these tools on the internet, no questions asked, I know, cause i’ve just done it.
I will post a follow up to this as I want to try something first.
And you think these herberts are running around with locksmith tools ? Theres two main attacks that will get you into 99.999% of cylinders A screw, screw driver and claw hammer will get you into 100% of euro 6 pin cylinders in 20 secs, in 99.9% of all kitemarked/SBD cylinders in between 25-90 seconds all these tools are cheap can be kept in a pocket and more importantly dropped down a drain cover in seconds. The other attack uses a screw driver and a set of mole grips so even less tools this will get you through 100% 6 pin… Read more »
We have a saying here at my office in the states: “Locks are for honest people.” We sell a lot of locks and do service runs and such to fix many, etc, etc. And we sell everything from the cheapest thing your money can buy to extremely high-end multipoint locks. But at the end of the day, if a burglar wants into your house, he’ll get in. Regardless of the quality of lock and regardless even of the limitations of his knowledge and skills. He’ll break a window, go in through the hinge-side of the door, push a basement window… Read more »
Hi Jess
Always nice to get an American point of view on these things. Your comments echo a sentiment very similar over here. No matter what locks you put on your windows and doors, if a burglar wants to get in, he/she will get in. Like you say, time is the issue and if we can put the best locks on our windows and doors to slow them up, then this only has to be a good thing.
ABS was responsible for this programme coming to air. It all came about by myself writing to the BBC and a meeting with a producer called Nicola Addyman. It is a shame that ABS are not in a position to capitalise on all our hard work. ABS could have been sold four weeks ago by the Administrators. Unfortunately it appears that the door and window division is not strong enough on it’s own and has a much weaker future without ABS. Let’s hope lack of confidence in the rest of the business doesn’t kill off a truly ground breaking product… Read more »
It is about time this came to light and we must thank Steve for all the hardwork he put in to get the item raised on air. But this is not something new, we have all known about it for a long time but very few window companies have done anything to resolve it. We at Glazerite WIndows Ltd have felt so strongly about it that in partnership with MACO uk we launched a scheme called MACO SECURE PLUS last November where we only use high quality anti-snap cylinders or cylinder guards with their new door lock and we and… Read more »
I find it incredulous that people are taking credit for highlighting this problem in the public arena. I do recall 5 years ago when lock bumping became prominant that UAP wanted to air this problem only to be villified for being irresponsible. Our critics were right and we withdrew. Instead what happened behind the scenes was the likes of SBD and BSi along with cylinder suppliers like ourselves introduced far greater security against bumping into cylinders and specifications. Now a huge array of unbumpable cylinders are common place. What I find simply wrong is that ABS gloat in highlighting this… Read more »
Well done Peter, you beat me to it
.. And well done Dave the Rave Jennings, you never fail to amuse, always happy to have a go at a competitors product that actually work! With regard to pricing, it doesn’t matter how cheap it is if it doesn’t work!
Thanks for your advice, hope you dont mind me returning the favour, stick to making lock picks !
LOL David, yeah we spent all that money making a cylinder in the hope that some herberts would start to break into peoples houses in a specific way, or would that be we made a product to solve a problem that the rest of the industry was burying there head in the sands over. Obviously your comments are just sour grapes as you do not have a suitable security cylinder on the market that can pass the latest standards in a standalone form. You say that the ABS cylinder is an expensive option but i can assure you its a… Read more »
P.s Before anyone says that our comments are sour grapes – I can assure you they are not. We saw a massive uplift in our zero lift cylinder sales today. And we have on the back burner ready to launch our own high end cylinder if it’s needed, and it is more than half the ABS price. We haven’t launched because it is not needed at the moment. And to be honest I would have been happier to not have those sales today and for the news article not to have been aired. I feel sorry for every householder who… Read more »
Peter. I do recall a year or so ago the a certain chemical company overseas was accused of leaking the Bird flu virus as they had the cure……………….ring any bells? Your ABS cylinder is not as high spec as you want to make it out to be. As I recall it doesn’t have the 3 star rating. It just has the 1 star rating, as we have on 2 ranges we sell. So to get through the new standards it has to be used with a security handle anyway. Maybe you overlooked telling people? Smoke and mirrors Peter I am… Read more »
Looks like I may have to hold off on the mul t lock. Zero lift do me well and I’m sure this new one will good on ya dave.
David you may know more about the standards than I do, i have better things to do than sit there thumbing technical standards i prefer to get out into the market place and sell products especially products that work. I do not know the current rating on the new tests I would have imagined due to the Diamond standard that the ABS has it will pass with flying colours the 3 star rating. Yes ABS was the first cylinder to get the MLA Diamond standard and i still dont see any UAP products on that list. Yes you may have… Read more »
Peter and Steve.
Let’s get a few facts straight. For every 1 ABS cylinder we sell 10 zero lift.
Next your cylinder has no more credanilityin the eyes of SBD and BSI than zero lift. We have exactly he same 1 star rating.
The MLA Diamond standard is irrelevant and that is why no one tests to it. Presumably why you did!!!
As for picks Steve, we are about to launch the ABS pick which will open the ABS lock in a matter of seconds.
Wind your necks in guys.
Well the other companies that now have the standard dont think its irrelevant.
But good to see we finally got the true colours out in one breath its lets damn Avocet/ABS for making this product and being irresponsible by even discussing the problem and in the next breath its look we have made a product that you can use to break into peoples house and guess what just to really upset these guys we are going to give them away free.
I think our american friend that has posted in this thread already would say “hey that dudes a douchebag”
BTW if any fabricator/installer wants to see how secure there current kitemarked/anti snap/snap secure cylinder is with or without a high security handle i am more than happy to come and open your eyes.
Peter
If anyone wants to see how to open your ABS cylinder we will also show them. Never know we may even give the picks away free of charge yet……….
Peter,
I don’t think you are a douchebag, but I cannot speak for others.
Peter and Steve
I am now off to bed as it has been a long day trying to solve the problem caused by your irresponsibility, and I expect us to be even busier tomorrow.
And remember the old adage, “you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time”. Night
Think you will find that the bbc make there own decisions on what they show on TV tbh as i am sure that our influence doesnt reach that far.
Yeah that adage is very apt mr lockpick.
Night
i must admit i found the program reckless , is it not enough that wrong doers get shown how to break in on you tube without it progressing to TV too. Its all well and good various companies scare mongering the public in such a way , but all of these companies , manufacturers , installers , locksmiths etc who join the scare monger campaign , have all made or fitted cylinders and charged for them , will you upgrade all your customers doors free or at cost due to fitting a not fit for purpose cylinder previously ? i… Read more »
Errrr. Peter if you read Steve’s post at 4.10pm you will see how this all came about, by you, as in ABS writing to the BBC in a cynical ploy to try and boost your rather poor sales. The BBC had no idea until you lot decided to try and get some free publicity for,your own product. You should hang your collective corporate heads in shame.
I do however find it poetic justice that you cannot currently capitalise on the problems you have caused.
I am really off to bed this time :-)
Yes I know what steve wrote, just because a letter is written doesnt mean that it automatically gets shown does it, the bbc would have evaluated the story, ran it past the legal depts, consulted the police etc and then decided to film it i would have imagined that Steve would have had no say in any of that. I must admit i had to double take your last sentence, i really cant understand the mentality of any person being happy that a company and there staffs futures are in doubt again like your previous commenst i am sure people… Read more »
Peter I have just got to work after a very sound sleep ready for another busy day as a direct result of your companies irresponsible attitude. I also read Martin’s post which reminds me this is not the first time you have acted irresponsibly in relation to ABS is it? Your barb about my comments says a lot more about your own state of mind than it does my morality. I have every sympathy for the employees of Avocet. However ABS is a tiny tiny part of Avocet. The fact is that ABS in relation to Avocet is insignificant and… Read more »
i must admit , i read this as abs and avocet were responsible for this program , if not then fine , but silly to claim such in first place . i hope avocet get over their problems and abs survives , it will be a cylinder option for many of us locksmiths , as a locksmith i have no issues with the cylinder at all , its a decent cylinder . I feel its the ABS management or marketing people that have let this cylinder and its potential down . early you tube videos that were a how to… Read more »
This is not a good situation and as previous posts have stated this can seriously worry the vulnrable people in our communities. It is a very frightining thing for elderly people to see these things and panic and worry them. At what value do you put this type of scare tactics.
Yes , far better we ignore the problem. When it’s 40% of burglaries in some areas I think it’s far better people are made aware!
Not at all Steve. As I said the likes of SBD and BSi have been working on this for the last few years and the SBD doors now being produced are very good indeed. All you did was to broadcast in an attempt to boost your own sales, not for the benefit of the consumer. This was sheer opportunism at its most crass. In the end all you have actually achieved is increasing the sales for the likes of Zero Lift. The next time someone is burgled by the Hoody who got the idea off the Tele then the blood… Read more »
David you need to have a chat with some of your staff as they are clearly putting something in your tea as your now getting as dramatic as my 12 year old daughter and she makes Kate Winslett look positively wooden. (Inserts Spielberg dramatic score) I trust that you are now going away to instruct your webmaster to remove all the details on your website about bumping and picking, you are going to order your buyers to stop buying in picks and bump keys that can be used to break into peoples house, you are going to stop paying for… Read more »
Peter
I dont drink much tea, and I am not sure about your reference to a 12 year old in relation to my previous post.
As regards to us selling picks etc, we only sell to bona fide locksmiths and security professionals, hence why you dont have an account with us.
Your attempt to deflect the well deserved flack due to reckless actions simply won’t wash.
Now I have a business to run.
i agree the public do need to be made aware by responsible education of the problem , not by scare mongering to all including those that will exploit the info to improve their thieving skills. No one disagrees with public education and awareness as long as it is in a responsible non harmful manner . this in my own opinion is not responsible , and isnt aimed at the good of the public , its about sales , its about marketing , nothing else. i like my locksmith colleagues around the country have been raising customer awareness for years responsibly… Read more »
Hi Martin I think people believe that we have some massive influence over the BBC and can dictate what they film, who they interview, what products are show etc on there shows, we dont. Yes ABS highlighted the problem to the BBC and Steve would have had discussions about the problem with the BBC as part of the process of them making it. Was it ABS’s choice to use our cylinder during the filming, was it ABS’s choice to interview the people that they did no it watsnt. So everyone saying that it was some marketing campaign by ourselves are… Read more »
thank you for the response peter , i have no interest in getting involved in spats on blogs , my point is that this form of marketing is wrong whom ever does it , my comments were aimed at avocet as steve took credit for this scare mongering , no other reason. I am a locksmith , i see the fall out and worry from such foolish marketing exercises 1st hand . i was also contacted by a mailshot the week before avocet went into admin to invest in the ABS brand , this too brought a sour taste to… Read more »
Hi Martin No worries i didnt expect to get up yesterday and then have a dust up with some people on DGB :) Again i cant speak for Steve but i very much doubt that apart from detailing the problem to the BBC and giving some contacts thats where it ended some people are acting as if we actually wrote, filmed, edited, product placed etc the whole programme. Also i believe the Police/CASAC took part in the programme i am sure if they felt that the worry that would be caused would be high enough to out weigh the information… Read more »
you tube is a curse , lets face it , its only a matter of time before spreading is all over it , then theres little point in the public worrying about what cylinder they have fitted on most of the doors out there . one question on ABS Mk3 , has the size been altered , as when i tried earlier versions they would not retro fit into quite a few gear boxes , the one that springs to mind was a lockmaster gearbox , the cylinder was too fat to fit the gearbox cut out , i know… Read more »
Hi Martin Yes this issue was fixed some time ago i believe the cylinder cam was the culprit. Yes I have heard reports about picking and bumping of the cylinder but from my understanding any cylinder can be picked or bumped its just a matter of having an expert with enough time on there hands to figure it out. Thats why we say the product is resistant to these attacks rather than “anti” “proof” or any of the other claims that indicate that it cannot be done where it actually can be. Thats not saying that it is easy to… Read more »
Really gentlemen… it’s getting to appear like schoolgirls squabbling in a playground…. maybe we would all be better off with a good sound timber door with a yale and an additional mortice lock.
agree as a good timber door , yale and 5 lever bs mortice will not be bumped , snapped , spread etc , far more secure .
in fairness alot of new doors are as good as timber , the cylinder is then the weakest point and needs to be good , but on most doors on homes at present , its a drop in the ocean .
I invested in these cylinders as a locksmith and to date have only managed to sell one due to price and now with the problems avocet are having it will be harder to get rid of them .I sell zero lift cylinders everyday and if fitted correct should do the job it was intended for. I think it was very poor of the bbc to show a program like this but it made me giggle the fact the so called ex burglar security guy had a job getting in to the propery with a standard cylinder fitted. I also think… Read more »
I fitted an Avocet ABS lock to my back door last year, and it’s an excellent lock, and one of the best products I’ve seen in a long while. Very, very pleased with it’s operation. Quality. At around £35 IIRC , I don’t regard it at all as expensive for a dead simple DIY job. Maybe if some herbert locksmith fitted it and added a nought to the job it would be. It’s a real shame they’ve hit difficultes. Personally, I blame the puppet ads! Doomed from the point where you listen to some marketing shite like that! Security –… Read more »
That is the point. The ABS route to market has been promised via the Locksmith community who they have been courting for some time now. So these guys have spent a lot of money buying into the locks and they are offering a high end price which the end consumer cannot afford.
Love the way a certain individual who has no idea of the turnover figures of ABS can say they are two expensive and no one will buy them. Oh.. and of course that’s why we have mini’s and mercedes. Consumer choice is what drives business. being the cheapest does not make everyone buy! and no you cant please all the people all the time, some want the cheapest, some want the best, each product has it’s place. And with regard to our improper morals, we highlighted an issue to the BBC, they went and spoke to the experts, The Police,… Read more »
“No thanks are required for extra sales of competitor product.” What an idiotic comment. We were all aware of these issues. Measures were in place to address them via new BS. The police are required by law to act upon information and the MLA would never turn down blatant self promotion if asked to comment. A self serving/promoting company bringing this issue to the forefront makes the whole trade appear inept. Questions will be asked across the board regarding prior knowledge and responsibility. From manufacturers to locksmiths, we will all get grief from this. First rogue traders then this. Does… Read more »
“Questions will be asked across the board regarding prior knowledge and responsibility. ”
..and so they should!!!!!
True, but this sounds like it was done for sales and not as a public awareness campaign. Right angle, wrong motive.
the questions will be asked of manufacturers , if the problem was well known since 2004 why has it taken 6 years to sell locks fit for purpose ? what of all the previous avocet customers with standard cylinders sold and all other makes too , will the manufacturers be upgrading to fit for purpose locks free to make amends ? i doubt it very much . im sure the question should be asked of all manufacturers on if they knew of the issue why wasnt it resolved earlier ? why have so many doors and locks been sold up… Read more »
Steve
If you think this blog is good for the ABS cylinder then you are proving to be as self deluded as I thought you are. Seems very few people actually support your position on all of this.
Furher, If you think that my involvement in this blog is some grand plan inspired by you then again you are just deluding yourself.
No surprise there then.
David, happy to make this personal if you want, but I am sure people would prefer the facts! 1. Snapping is a massive problem 2. Snapping was 20% of burglaries in west Yorkshire before we developed ABS 3. John Charnley of the MLA thought it was a big enough problem to go public in 2004 4. Sacrificial cut cylinders do not stop burglars, ask CASAC or WYP SOCO 5. The majority of the industry hides behind the “let’s not alert the burglar” argument because the font have an effective solution 6. If you are not part of the solution there’s… Read more »
Steve If you think I have made this personal then please refer to my previous post. Like you I am happy to keep to the facts. Lock snapping is only a major or problem in a few areas. It is not a National problem. The meeting that both you and I attended in October 2010 said that Lock snapping would ‘leech’ to other areas. It has not, hence why other forces have not backed your campaign. However, thanks to you and the BBC maybe it will. I have never considered ABS to be a competior to Zero Lift as they… Read more »
It’s a shame the way it went with the abs and those puppets were a joke I hope they do find a buyer for it as a good lock. I’m now waiting for the new multlock cylinder to come out to see if any good and offer this as an high end option. I did hear abs tryed to get in with the met police in London like they did up north but the met said snapping is a very small problem and not really that bad.I’ve only come across a few cases of snapping but fitted zero lift as… Read more »
Its a supply and demand situation. The demand was not for an ABS cylinder, it was for a Zero lift type affordable cylinder. Its what was required at the time to help locksmiths sell a form of an upgrade that was affordable. The normal customer see’s it as a NON distress purchase and like many, will go with the more affordable option like Zero Lift. Its only when they have been burgled by snapping they may look at the other options. But again, its down to cost ! The ABS is a good cylinder but maybe it was in a… Read more »
We had a few doors on order with avocet hardware when they went bust, unfortunately our suppliers told us it would be out of stock until the end of the month. I delayed the customers fitting, only to then find out we were not getting the lock at all.
Whilst I understand this is a pain, its really not worth throwing your toys out of the pram! Other suppliers will find the gap in the market, enabling us to provide our customers with the safest lock we can.
Hi Sam
We havent gone bust we are still here alive and kicking. Yes stock is a bit of an issue at the moment as i am sure everyone is aware but we will get there.
I’d like to thank you all for your comments on this issue. There is no doubt that the security of all doors in this country is an issue that is vitally important and one we’re all passionate about. It has certainly been interesting watching all the responses come in. Usually I’d have jumped in by now but I thought it prudent to let everyone have their say on this one first. Here’s my thoughts on the matter: To be quite honest, I was surprised that the BBC did run this program. Even though the method of how to break the… Read more »
By the way I have decided to launch our new cylinder. This was developed in co-ordination with a very well known lock engineer Chris Belcher. the patent applications went in some 6 months ago. The tooling will be finished by Feb 25. I expect first pre-procduction samples within 4 weeks. We have already booked the test house with the aim of 3 star Kitemark. If we don’t get that we will certainly pass the Diamond Standard as a step down from the 3 star rating. I currently believe that all sizes of our new cylinder will be available within 6… Read more »
Let’s see how big your balls really are, send me a sample and I’ll test it for you, I’ll even video the results and make them public!!
video the results and make it public , well wont be the first time , why not just do a whole range of help the burglar videos and stick them in the public domain , that is a truly silly statement and as responsible as past actions have been .
this has stopped being a debate , and has become a playground level farce .
Steve As we said before we have already developed the tool for anyone to pick open the ABS. Maybe you want us to YouTube that eh. However unlike you, that is not how we market our products. We will be happy to compete with the ABS in the market and we will do so openly and without having to resort to underhand tactics as you did against the CISA. Also the ABS is not unsnappable at all, and anyone could break into it after snapping with a screwdriver. AS DGB and others can confirm until this week we did not… Read more »
David – secret is safe with me – until YOU ask me to talk about it!
DGB. I am happy for you to confirm that you have seen the prototype, and even what you thought of it if you like. Just didn’t want people to think I had been bluffing about the existence of this new cylinder…….
David Jennings – I can confirm that I have seen the prototype, it is a good one and no you are not bluffing lol!
Looks like I may have to hold off on the mul t lock. Zero lift do me well and I’m sure this new one will good on ya dave.
Well, it goes to show that Dave Jennings is certainly putting money where his mouth is (again) and I feel this may well be a good turn around for the public and trade. Many will welcome a new cylinder at affordable prices. This may also be the push some locksmiths need in these tough times to help keep going. The standard profile will also be a benefit to most mobile locksmiths that run a standard cylinder key machine on the van. Up selling a few additional keys whilst on site is always a good way for an extra few quid… Read more »
Hi Peter, I don’t think people are running round with locksmiths tools (although thay are available to buy online No questions asked from members of the MLA). I said the techniques are locksmiths tools. As with all windows and doors they are only as secure as their weekest point and if someone wants to get into a house they will. so by putting your cylinder on the door, you just move the problem somewhere else. and eventually a weekness will be found in your cylinder. Another thing that anoys me is if you Google “lock snapping” the 1st result is… Read more »
good point michael, I dont hear anyone complaint about ERA/Grouphomesafe’s instructional video on you tube, or the one on kenricks homepage!
Hi Micheal Yes i totally agree herberts are not running around bumping and picking doors it takes far to long and the skills required are much higher yes a locksmith can do it fairly quickly but they have had years of training and more importantly attempts at doing it. Snapping is by far the easiest method of entry and thats shown in the dramatic rise in this problem. And yes i agree that products that are supposedly only available for security professionals/locksmiths are readily available to purchase directly from these companies the trouble is people dont like to believe that… Read more »
Michael
In many areas of the country lock Snapping is not a problem at all. In some areas Lock Bumping is the issue. In regions like Kent, door spreading has been the problem.
And no matter what you have on the door, if you know the drill point you can by-pass everything anyway.
Peter like dave has said snapping is very small I still go to break ins were latch has been slipped on wood doors and bumping and spreading on upvc. I my self have only come across 4 snapping cases in the last 3 years some guys I know have never come across any in the London and Kent areas.
thats fine jason but london and kents a big area i can certainly give you fabricators that have had there doors broken into via a cylinder snap in the areas i have already listed and some of those i have been to see in the last week, i have already said that i dont believe its a massive problem in the south east but it is happening. The trouble is the majority of police forces (and especially the ones in the south east/met) dont give method of entry figures and the Police will deny any particular problem is a problem,… Read more »
Dave, I think you’ll find Martin and I saw a council worker snap an ABS away for the door, hooked under cam and opened the door.
The cylinder basically gave way to allow access.
So, security was indeed compromised and access gained.
Im not saying its not a good cylinder, but it gave way. Simple as.
Personally, Peter, I have been to about 2 snappings in 4-5 years.
Its not a huge problem, however it is being made a problem by marketing it on the BBC .
Rich
Hi Rich This could only have happened with a mrk 1 cylinder, this attack was prevented on subsequent versions by the fitting of extra protection so that the attacker has no access to the cam to try and lift it and also an extra beefed up pin firing into the cylinder. From my understanding the ABS is the only cylinder that now prevents this attack. Yes as i said its not widespread in London and the South East but there are areas that do have the problem and in my experience its getting more widespread but still no where near… Read more »
[quote]But describing this as some kind of campaign is kinda short sighted (yes i believe an ABS product was shown in the show but people need to remember/realise that it was placed there by Avocet/ABS)[quote]
And of course that was meant to be it was not placed there by Avocet/ABS, awesome time for a typo ;-)
Just read an article on fenestration news it dont seem to allow me to post with a link but if you look on the main page latest news and its a press release from UAP Limited- Security expert backs Police campaign to rid of lock snapping based on some of the replies in this section of the blog there definately seems to be some disgreement brewing. For example. [quote]Mr Pankhurst explains: “Lock snapping is a very serious and common problem which all homeowners can be easily protected from, both quickly and cheaply.[quote] Yet UAP have said in this thread that… Read more »
Peter. I think you will find it is called marketing and responding to what is happening in the market. Perhaps your marketing supremo can give you a quick lesson on the subject……… On the subject of marketing I have a new name for the ABS pick……. ‘the ABS Killer’ – quite catchy don’t you think?
Yes I fully understand what marketing is David but generally you will find a cohesive marketing strategy is better than have your sales director saying one thing and yourself contradicting him and your companies press releases in this thread. But of course that just gets totally ignored with your normal guff.
It’s nearly as catchy as “UAP Zero Use cylinder the cylinder that promises everything but like a 12 year old labour government it delivers nothing”.
First of all your phrase has too many words to be catchy.
Secondly, even though I am a conservative at heart I do say that the 12 years of labour government was very good for a lot of businesses as money was thrown into social housing which many in our industry benefitted from and still do.
Finally, I do think this thread has now run its course.
Peter…
{quote}And of course that was meant to be it was not placed there by Avocet/ABS, awesome time for a typo :-)
Im confused …..
Was it or was it not?
needalocksmith
No it was not placed there by Avocet/ABS
ah witty banter , its always a pleasure to read . it was also good to see that avocet has a buyer as must have been worrying times for some with jobs at risk. will the new owners be pumping as much money and marketing into the ABS arm of the business , so that those of us that decide to invest in the brand get the same continued marketing and ongoing supply ? this is a legit question not a dig and to help only my own decision whether to take on abs as my high end brand ,… Read more »
Hi Martin Yes its very good news that we have new owners and a great deal of worry has been lifted off our shoulders. To be honest its still to early to say what is going to be happening on the marketing side of things but I am sure the discussions are happening on an ongoing basis. In my opinion I would be supprised to see any drop in marketing support etc in the ABS division in fact it would make more sense to have an increase to counter some of the mischief thats happening in the field by our… Read more »
Here at Euro Cylinders Direct, we have also had a large increase in sales when it comes to the snapping of euro cylinders.
Our customers are finally coming round to the fact that it doesn’t cost the earth, but could save them so much hassle with insurance etc…
I work for a famous double glazing company in yorkshire, I bought a conservatory and had anti snap locks fitted, UAP on the front, I was broken into, they snapped the locks, and took my car
Was just a matter of time before these cheap so called anti snap cylinders were shown to be rubbish
I also work for a company in Northants dealing in double glazing, we have not registered any complain regarding such issue and that is why this blog post with such high number comments came to me as surprise.