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There has been some bad press and there has been some stupid things written about this industry, but what I read today was nothing short than utter and complete nonsense! Here’s a couple of extracts:
“Can putting cling film on your windows act as cheap double glazing and stop them losing heat?”
“A home energy expert, from not-for-profit energy group Ebico, replies: When it comes to retaining heat and keeping homes warm, single glazed windows perform badly on two counts.
Firstly, as thermal barriers they are inefficient. The single thickness of the glass does little to stop heat escaping, resulting in the property getting cold.
Secondly, older windows may be ill-fitting, letting in drafts. Draughts of colder air in a room can have a chilling effect on occupants, as the moving air has an effect much like ‘wind chill’. Ultimately, as the temperature of your property drops, the more energy you will use to keep your home warm.
Putting cling film on single glazed windows does in fact help to reduce energy loss.
By providing a second barrier to heat transfer, it creates a very basic – and inexpensive – ‘double glazing’ system. The film also has the potential to stop drafts coming into the home through poorly-fitting windows, making the room feel warmer.”
The hilarity continues:
“Rather than using cling film, you may like to consider using stretching transparent polythene film across your windows, secured with double-sided sticky-tape. These kits can be purchased from most good DIY shops at relatively little expense.
Not only is this a reasonably cheap solution, but it can significantly reduce draughts coming into your home and increase the room temperature. Additionally, this measure is beneficial, particularly for short-term tenants, as it does not require changes to the fabric of the building which would otherwise need the landlord’s permission.
However, the main drawback of this solution is that windows cannot be opened and closed whilst the film is in place. Consequently the film will need to be removed each spring and replaced each autumn.
A longer term solution would be a secondary double glazing system. Again, these can be obtained from DIY suppliers. Although secondary double glazing solutions are more expensive, they do offer improved access to windows and they can generally be fitted by a competent DIY enthusiast. They can also be left in place year-round.”
I mean seriously! Are they actually saying putting a thin piece of film with double-sided tape over single glazing is just as good as modern day A rated energy efficient windows?! You won’t even be able to open the bloody window!
Who actually comes up with these ideas?! If you have decrepit old timber windows, aluminium or PVCu for that matter, why would sticking film over the top solve all your problems?!
The best solution? Get your hand in your pocket and rip the old bloody things out and put new ones in!
If you want to see this article in it’s ridiculous entirety, click here.
>If you don't have £350 spare for each window, then 50p cling film to cover the draughts seems a pretty reasonable option to me.
It's not a long term fix but it will at least stop some heat loss. They're not saying it's at the same level as A rated double glazing.
>I was gonna' say too… if your options were do nothing or put film up, film would work. I think it's silly that it isn't even mentioned that one could purchase new windows, but I do think as a temporary, quick solution, it's better than nothing. And unfortunately the cost of windows is outrageous. At least it is here in the US. I DID learn though that y'all apparently use the word "draught" like we use "draft"… I had to look it up because I was utterly confused, but then it made sense. You learn something new every day I… Read more »
>Anon no2: thanks for your comment from overseas! To be honest we use both 'draught' and 'draft' in the same context, it just so happened that the article is was quoting used the first term. We also use 'draught' when we talk about pumped beer in pubs!
Interesting comment about the cost of windows in the US. How much is an average sized window over there?
Do you work for a window company? It might be interesting to get a guest post on here from America so the UK can see what the industry is like over there!
Regards
DGB
>"To be honest we use both 'draught' and 'draft' in the same context"
Do we? Dang those dictionary updaters. Need a new one now.
>I stumbled across this blog, and I have to say – what a lot of complete and utter nonsense this post is. Didn't you stop to think for one moment before writing it? It's blindingly obvious that this article is aimed at an audience who can't just go out and spend thousands on replacement windows (homeowners who don't have that sort of money to spare, tenants in flats and social housing etc). You may have spotted the recession that's been running for a few years now, but not everyone has as much disposable income as you clearly do. Funnily enough,… Read more »
>Anon no4 – most of the people who view this blog are within the industry, and I posted this to be seen be others in the industry. Our sector has always been ignored, despite A rated windows being a massive benefit to improving the energy efficiency of people's homes. In fact we get a lot of bad press, and most of the industry is sick of the lack of emphasis we deserve. We've only just managed to get windows to be included in the Green Deal! To many professionals (of which I am one), reading articles like putting film over… Read more »
>I didn't see any "trade login" on your blog, so I assumed it was for public consumption, not just your industry mates. Everything you say in your comment is fine, although I disagree that double glazing companies are "victims" who get constantly overlooked and treated badly. I see plenty of Everest adverts on the TV, there's a Zenith showroom just down the road from me and in the course of a five minute drive you can guarantee that you'll see plenty of double glazing vans on the road – so it can't be too bad for you guys at the… Read more »
>Richard – it's very rare that non-industry people view this site, as most buying double glazing go on to company sites, rather than anonymous industry blogs. Though I welcome both the public and trade readers. The Everest point is rather vague. Everest is one of the biggest double glazing companies out there, who can afford TV advertising. Bear in mind that there are tens of thousands of double glazing companies out there. How can Everest on the TV mean that the whole industry is doing alright? And does the existence of a showroom mean that the company is doing well?… Read more »
DGB, you need to back down. Your point was sarcastic, narrow-minded and selfish on the behalf of the industry. What you are suggesting is equal to suggesting that people who are buying cheap, flimsy shoes, (because that’s all they can afford) are being stupid and are laughable. You are also insinuating ( to continue with this analogy) that the large, successful shoe companies are being victimised by these less financially secure people by not purchasing their goods. I’m sorry, but that is just ludicrous. You need to look up the definition of a debate as well.
Also they are clearly not saying its as good as DG units, as they clearly state a “very basic way” of reducing heat loss. If you are not trying to cause a stir and antagonise people, what was the point of this “utter tripe” post?
>I think Richard has overreacted about the cling film thing.
>Saying that A rated windows are better than clingfilm makes you a bad salesman?
erm……
how? :/
>This is anonymous no. 2 (@allaboutdoors on Twitter)– I'll need to look up the actual cost. I work at a door and window parts company (allaboutdoors.com), but I couldn't quote you on an average price–there's a large range, but it's frequently the kind of spending that I've known to require taking out another mortgage if you're going to re-do all your windows. If that says anything. Let me know if you ever need a guest post–that sounds like it'd be a fun thing to do! It seems as though the industry is much more vocal in the UK than in… Read more »
>Two final points, based on your last comment, and then I agree that we should end this argument/debate. Immediately after dismissing my examples of the double glazing industry not doing to badly for itself, you yourself point out that there are "tens of thousands of double glazing companies out there" who contribute "£4 billion to the UK economy". Surely that proves my point – the double-glazing industry isn't doing too badly. Secondly, you keep banging on about how proper double glazing is superior to cling film. Of course it is, and nobody is suggesting that it isn't – not me,… Read more »
>SophiiMaria: no – sneering at and mocking people who can't afford your A rated windows, or who rent their home and can't buy your windows, makes you a bad businessman (and an unpleasant person).
>Jessica – a guest post outlining what the window industry is like in the US would make a great read. A guest post about it would be greatly appreciated!
The UK industry is definitely more vocal! We seem to have embraced Twitter. I can see this only as a good thing.
DGB
>Richard: If someone can't voice their opinion on an idea then what's the point in a blog?
I'm not in the industry and yet I think this is a stupid idea! It is laughable. I'm in no position to be buying windows but I still wouldn't do this. It just seems ridiculous. That's the point DGB was making.
If you really are bothered about windows then all we should do is save up or buy a wooly jumper! It's not arrogance, it's someone's opinion. We could say you're being arrogant but you are entitled to your own opinion.
>I'm chattin' with my coworker about it, here–can I email you when we come up with something/jot down some thoughts? We're kind of excited. :)
>Opinions count for yadda. Why don't you do an experiment with accurate internal and external thermometers?
>Jessica – yes you can email me. I was gonna suggest dropping you a line to discuss what areas could be covered. Glad you're excited!
>Hi. My Partner currently rents a very old, victorian style 3 floor stone town house with old sash windows, which are not in a very good state. She's not in a position to afford a new window and so to stop the draughts in the top floor bedroom (hers), has taped bubble-wrap across the entire window frame. It's certainly made the room more comfortable – you could feel the draught blowing against you at night and made the room quitter too (with all the recent high winds). If it feels warmer and it was such a cheap option, then what's… Read more »
>This guy can paste and copy.Cant think before he posts to far up himself.Double glazing salesman all over.
Putting cling film over our sash windows @ our 9 bedroom 18th century house made a dramatic difference.
found this website, looks good if you ask me.
its not an answer, but it is a solution.
http://www.window-insulation-film.co.uk/
Double-glazing works by trapping air in a gap (ideally of 20 mm) between two panes of glass. It’s this gap of air, rather than the thickness of the panes, than improves its efficiency. If you have not got the money to replace your windows etc then an air tight plastic sheet can work as well as glass etc, but it is less long lasting. According to detailed analysis http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/paul-baker-performance-of-traditional-windows-and-practice-improvements.pdf secondary glazing and other window coverings can work better than double glazing. In the 1980’s i worked for a charity installing cling film secondary glazing in homes of folks who struggled… Read more »