We now live in an age of truth, openness and honesty. I would say it all started when the papers started publishing details of MP’s expenses which then caused an almighty and disdain from the general public for their elected officials.
From there, it has grown into a massive movement which has seen a plethora of usually private information now being public. Banker’s bonuses for example, pay packets of the highest paid people in Britain, many more Freedom Of Information requests etc. I think it is fair to say that almost everyone is part of this movement and is in favour of it. We all pay out a lot in taxes and other expenses for goods, services and industry bodies, so I think it is only fair that we get to know as much as we think is necessary.
See where this is going? The double glazing industry is moving on towards the future, and is going to be part of a more open and transparent society, and the bodies and groups associated with our industry need to move with it. Over the last week it has been discussed on here and on Twitter that the groups seen as ‘old boys clubs’ and ‘elitists’ are no longer required and are likely to cause a hindrance rather than progression to the modernisation of the industry.
Every time you open an industry magazine you will see the same old faces in there and the same old stories. Are we dealing with PR hungry individuals who just must be seen and heard or is this really all the industry has to offer? The industry has more to offer and there are more individuals writing, blogging and contributing in many different ways now to a few years ago.
All of these organisations have recently been asked if they would welcome fresh new contribution, help and involvement and it seems as though the door very much remains shut!
What many of you don’t realise is that there are some immensely talented people in this business who unlike others choose not to be so public yet have made a huge difference to the industry, its products and its service. And for some reason these people appear to be shut out. Why?
The GGF and things like the Top 30 Most Influential are two such examples. The Top 30 list has long been populated with the same old faces, patting each other on the back, just for being at the top of their businesses, arguably not being that influential at all. Being at the top doesn’t mean you are. The list needs young new blood, showcasing the people behind the scenes doing the real work; being truly influential.
Now I know the GGF does some very good work. It does some hard lobbying of the Government on behalf of the industry, trying to look out for it’s best interests. But why then should the couple of hundred or so who pay to be part of this old fashioned and undesirable system get to see the info that is necessary for the whole industry weeks before everyone else? If the GGF works on behalf of the industry, then the whole industry should get to hear what it has to say as a group, not the clique first then everyone else later.
People are going to come on here and say “well it’s a group for private membership in which people pay for the privilege of having that information first.” I’m sure this is true, and this is not what is the problem for me. It is in my opinion that private groups exist and create a two tier system within the industry when we should all be working together to make the best of what ever the situation or issue is at the time.
Look at it this way, out of an industry which is over 16,000 companies strong, why is it that just a few hundred are members. Surely if the industry thought that being part of such a group was worth it then membership would be at similar levels as FENSA or Certass? What I would like to see is a body which is open, minimal fees, consulting everyone and not just the select few who hand over a proportion of their turnover to be part of it. That’s how a modern and open society works, so our industry should be the same.
The industry wants inclusion, not exclusivity for those rich enough to be able to pay for it.
Oh dear, here we go again… ;-) I’m sure that The GGF would also like everyone in the industry to be a member. And yes then the fees would be very low indeed. All members would welcome that I asure you. However, Most of the ‘industry’ does not want to join, does not want to pay anything for the information, and to be honest there are strict criterion that companies have to meet before they would be elegible to join. The GGF does some tremendous work for our industry. The Industry as a whole does not pay for it. The… Read more »
You’re sort of missing some of the other points in that post Mark ;) Look at paragraphs 4 and 5! We live in a more open and honest society, where everyone is trying their best to be treated as equals, whether you’re rich or poor. So why should there be a system which creates a two tier industry, one which clearly has the dosh to be able to pay for the GGF’s info weeks in advance, and one which doesn’t and then has to frustratingly wait until that info is drip fed in a very disorganised manner and leaves them… Read more »
But you could argue the internet blogging scene creates a two tier system in much the same way, for example the people without the time/knowledge would not get to see the information in the same way as not paying or paying the fee’s to the GGF. Also i guess the trouble with the GGF or any professional organisation working with a blogger is the matter of consistency, the majority of blogs are about opinions whereas the GGF etc are about facts which are sometimes lost in the blog world. Taking your para 4-5 comment yes i think you are correct… Read more »
Thanks Jason … it’s all good fun… ;-) They don’t pay to get the information first….. They pay the employees in the GGF to get the information, to talk with the Government, to draw up the technical standards, to fight off unwanted legislation etc etc so that the GGF can produce the information in the first place. If the GGF Members did not pay for this you would have only the information gathered from individuals who had a limited amount of presence, and possible only their own interests at heart. Despite information becoming more ‘freely’ available over the internet…. we… Read more »
The GGF has always been a bit of dark horse and viewed by many as jobs for the boys. Still the info sheets on condensation etc etc have always been good for silencing pain in the neck customers.
Your problem with censorship sort of proves the point you are making.
Some good news though ive just recieved a contract for the hit on DGB .
DGB goes to gym because hes an Arnold lookalike asta la vista , ill be back
i agree with mark . its all good fun
none of the comments here are malicious, well i hope not.
were all here for a laugh and also to make serious comments about our beloved industry. sorry my shrink keeps warning me about being delusional
Dear DGB, I do appreciate the fact that you open debate in all topic areas, and I must say I often agree with your opinion. On this one though I have to say I side with Mark Warren, as I think his posts are spot on. As someone who has worked on the formation of TGO, I know without GGF support (and I don’t just mean financial) we would not have gone anywhere. They have freely given help to a business designed to benefit both the industry and consumers, yet enabled us to structure a mutual status company of which… Read more »
I gree with Mark and Jon, on this one.
GGF members pay for the privilege,if they get info a week or two before the rest of the industry. ..Hey Ho
As long as the whole industry benefits, that`s ok with me! ( i think the ggf ,helps all of us.One way or another )
But whoever from the GGF said your Blog post was slanderous. Needs to get a grip on the real world.Opinion is opinion, or is it jobs for the boys flexing their ego. Mark Warren excluded.
I worked for a company that was a member of the GGF (but I have left them now) and I have always found the GGF transparent and open and helpful! Any customer or company can call them up and get technical help and help through their conciliation scheme to resolve disputes. Since I left the company and became a partner in another company, I still keep track of things at the GGF and I am pleased they give people updates on twitter and on their website – that’s full of free techinical publications btw, and has regular latest news about… Read more »
Hi Jason, I have just read through the content of this post and I find nothing libellous in it. It is just your opinion and though welcomed it could be argued that it’s a misinformed opinion, but it is your perspective! I have replied to your email and asked if could you to tell me who at the GGF threatened you with a libel action. If you can let me know I’ll investigate as it goes against everything the Federation stands for. We are all about freedom of speech and opinions – that’s why we have over 100 meetings per… Read more »
The chance was missed in 2002 when FENSA was set up. Nigel Rees said at that time that the GGF would look forward to handing over FENSA to the industry after, no doubt the costs of setting up had been recouped. This dodn’t happen, as we know. Instead the GGF made a very good return on its investment! As we sit on the Advisory Board at FENSA, we brought this up and a letter we sent to various trade magazines asking why this hadn’t happened. The response was quite vitrolic. We had a phone call from the Chairman of the… Read more »